Help on PVP Rainbow Team around Sharr/Kei

tasuki
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Help on PVP Rainbow Team around Sharr/Kei Mar 26, 2016 9:05:41 GMT -8

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Post by tasuki on Mar 26, 2016 9:05:41 GMT -8

Hello,
I'm trying to build a rainbow pvp team around Sharr / Kei (btw, I'm Rank 93).
My current pvp composition got me through platinum league, but it all I can do so far. The thing is that my team is far from being fully ST'ed or SPU, so that may be the main reason. I already know that, and I'm doing my best to fix it but I surely need some advices about priorities
The main purpose of my post is to talk about a bunch of players that have been categorized as 'must have' but that I am not using because I most likely don't understand some pvp composition mechanics.
So, my current pvp team is :

Nari (ST,3SPU,+41) - Silla (Ace,ST, 4SPU,+28) - Sharr (ST, 4SPU,+160)
Victoria (ST,1SPU) - Lia (ST) - Duke (ST,4SPU,+59)
Magnus(-) - Eden(Support,MSPU) - Kiki (ST,+28) - Anael (ST)
Kei (ST,4SPU,+160)

Manager adding stats : Lucy (no SPU), Gerold (no SPU), Samiel (3 SPU)
Thus, for my rank 93, my team is an 10k SS team.
(Remark : Numbers may not show it, but Nari is my main assist, I just go lucky with Silla dupes)
I only have 2 unique spirit stones : TB (on Sharr) and Ermaltion (on Kei) that I got from challenge reward and one from lucky evolve.
Here is the list of players I can also use:

Ardor	Whirlwind	Thunder	Light	Dark
Renee	Kirin	Luka	Sammy	Zibroi
Sage	Silk	Cynthia	Chitose	Avnore
Kevin	Elizabeth	Iggy	Hiro	Black Daisy
Jean	Swimsuit Qiyou	Nute	Skorn	Valkia
Lucius	Princess Meiran	Jury	Isillia	Alkyde
Roina	Rudiel	Guinevere	Cassiel	Lucifer
Bora	Vermillon Bird	Hildegard	Muspel	Lilith
	Iree	Raklet	Mikael	Dale
		Robin		Niarose
		Beta
		Butcher

So.... here are the reason why my team are so far from being complete in term Striker/GK/Assit Max SPU+160 :
I have been keeping all my crystal/premium tickets for a "Sharr augmented drop week" that never occured... I thought that I would get some dupes in that process for my players, but I somehow gave up on that idea.
As stated on the "striker guide" , Sharr is said to be good with Nari, which is true with the "Silla-Nari spirits generation" for Active Pass/Shoot combo, but with the current Malcom/Miho and High CR,DR from the current GK, i'm currently switching to Luka. She is already 3 SPU,+68), and I am trying to ST her.

On my mid line, I'm thinking about changing Lia for Sammy (ST) for her forward pass, but Lia seems fairly OK since I don't have any IC stones

About my back line :
I have been trying to raise Kei HP with : Kiki and Magnus (+Reduce dmg from ardor and thunder). I have added Eden to have additional DR, and all her additional Totem effect. Anael is used to penetrate through front (provided Duke have done his job).
Remark : I also sometime change Eden for Chitose (1SPU) for additional Thunder/dark DR, but AI usually just suicide, so I am reluctant to use her.
As for Kevin I have seen post saying that a: Magnus/Kevin/Kiki is a strong backline which is true, but my current Kevin (not ST, no SPU) seems less reliable than my MSPU Eden in term of DR and additional totem effect.

I also wonder how this back line composition is supposed to get back to mid/front. Will Kiki be enough to penetrate the enemy front line ?
Finally, I feel like my Kei lack CR (currently about +70CR with spirits stone) so i'm trying to get Nerua.

So... maybe i'm focusing way too much on my backline composition... I may better focus on improving my mid with, for example, a 4man mid comp or 4man front to help my sharr getting past these CR/DR.
For now, I still have to get my Sharr,Kei,Luka MSPU, but after that, I am clueless on who I should be focusing...

A last question is about spirits stone : I am currently trying to get all useful 6* rare stone to +15 to equip my players before trying to combine them to get Unique because I feel like have the right 6*rare stones +15 are more important than using all my gold to try to get (not so random because I read your post carefully :p) unique stones. Is it the right thing to do, or should I first focus on combining rare stones ?

Thank you for your patience ^^'...

Neo
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Help on PVP Rainbow Team around Sharr/Kei Mar 27, 2016 0:00:43 GMT -8

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Post by Neo on Mar 27, 2016 0:00:43 GMT -8

On first look, I can tell you are a genius gamer. Your sharr, kei, nari, silla all 4 spu. Same like what I used to do.
I also used to keep all my players at 4 spu in case I get a dupe from draw so I save 1600 GP instead of scouting them or using littre.

From your ST and your squad depth, it shows you are also working hard on ST but not sacrificing natural 5* players easily.
I would say you are doing very well for a rank 93 if you did not spend much.

Then I read downwards and I see your explanation. Just like what I thought haha.

Sammy for forward pass do not work because PvP AI shoots upon getting a forward pass LOL

Focus on combining unique is MOST IMPORTANT.
I kept all my rares at +12 unless they are important rares like heal crit rate stones for kei. Those need to be +15. Or blue pen stone for infinite players, that need to +15. Otherwise most stones I keep at +12.

Combining uniques is too important.
You need an infinite unique, a striker unique, a GK unique, an assist unique, and PvE uniques (SC, EBM, IC).
Its not just for PvP. Its for PvE too.
You already have striker and GK uniques.

And its time to abandon Kei.
With the PvP heal nerf reversal (75% heal nerf to 50% heal nerf), its important to use a self heal GK.
How many SPUs are your zibroi and isillia?
I want to know which GK you can switch to, before forming your backline.

tasuki
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Help on PVP Rainbow Team around Sharr/Kei Mar 27, 2016 7:10:29 GMT -8

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Post by tasuki on Mar 27, 2016 7:10:29 GMT -8

Hello, thank you for your answer.

I see, it's time to abandon my Kei... Oh well fine for me.
I did scout Zibroi and Isilia for that purpose hahaha...
The reason why I got them is mainly to complete high level CoD (stuck at level 33 atm but it's mainly due to the fact that I am not following the guides presented here ^^'... I try to come up with my strats/players ^^...) because no self healing means that I have to heal him by another player :(... So I got Isillia and Zibroi and I started to EE Zibroi because I already got a light GK....
But then came Zibroi changes, and I read that he could no longer (or hardly enough) complete high level CoD... I dropped the process of leveling up another GK...

Anyway : Both Isillia and Zibroi are 0 SPU, but I can work on them since it will be usefull for my CoD performance, but I feel like Zibroi can help me with Mono CoT.
It was already one of my priority, but Club matches made me prioritize my pvp team so that my clubmates could perform better :).

Ps : I got Iree from the 28'th login reward, so maybe I can be a good investement with the analysis you guys have done. Either way, all my GKs but Kei are 0 SPU

Last Edit: Mar 27, 2016 7:13:45 GMT -8 by tasuki

Mugiwara
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Help on PVP Rainbow Team around Sharr/Kei Mar 27, 2016 9:23:39 GMT -8

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Post by Mugiwara on Mar 27, 2016 9:23:39 GMT -8

Your current mid is reflex mid. But your mid is not capable of dealing with metatron CM although your Lia might be able to CA lousy-built metatrons.
Lia is not as good as a CM after the patch because she can only recover AB to 80% when attacked, not 100% anymore.
Because AB recovery is CAPPED at 80% now, action speed becomes more important.
So Lynia might better than duke or victoria for your mid, so you might want to scout lynia.
It is important to come up with a midline that is fast and can OHKO or 2HKO metatron CMs.
For the players you have now, you are unlikely to be able to counter Metatron mids with 3 man mid.
So I will suggest running a 4 man mid instead:

Luka - Silla (Ace) - Sharr
Lynia - Lia (CM) - Cynthia - Duke
Kiki - Magnus - Anael
Kei

This is based on what you have at the moment.
You should strive towards replacing anael with virgil and kei with lucian/zibroi/isillia.

Last Edit: Mar 27, 2016 9:23:57 GMT -8 by Mugiwara

tasuki
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Help on PVP Rainbow Team around Sharr/Kei Mar 28, 2016 23:20:11 GMT -8

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Post by tasuki on Mar 28, 2016 23:20:11 GMT -8

Hello, thank you again for your answers.

So... basically, this patch have sent my pvp line up from : "not that bad" to "kind of bad" :'( ?
Looking at the stones required for Zibroi, I may actually go for Isillia since she can also use Kei's stones...

tasuki
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Help on PVP Rainbow Team around Sharr/Kei Apr 10, 2016 11:53:27 GMT -8

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Post by tasuki on Apr 10, 2016 11:53:27 GMT -8

Hello,

It has been a while, but I was waiting for Sharr/Virgil/Lynia x3 event to use about 100 premium tickets and a year worth of crystal...
It funny how this draw was the ideal week for my team...

Anyway, I got a few players that may help my team.
First thing to mention:
I was able to draw a Sharr (Side note: I got a dupe Sharr from daily rewards....... I'll use her as ST fodder..........) and a Kei.
So they are now both MSPU.
I also was able to scout a Virgil.
I was NOT able to draw a Lynia T-T...... (ok I'll just try to scout her).

Second thing:
I got a few player that may strenghen my team comp:
- Serestia
- Enthia (I know that she was A+ in your rating, but I use a FSPU+160 one from one of my club member and I feel like she's pretty decent)
- Jeunesse
- Linmay (I know that she's a foward pass like Sammy so not to be used in arena, but maybe she can help my club pvp team)

Right now, my team comp (I don't understand your positioning Mugiwara, because i'm trying to max their 'prefered position', but maybe i'm wrong because they'll face strong openents that will just kill them) :
Silla (Ace) - Luka - Sharr
Duke- Lia (CM)- Cynthia- Victoria (waiting to scout Lynia)
Virgil - Kiki - Virgil
Kei

So.... questions time :D.....

1) How do you build Cynthia ? 3/5/5/5 ?
2) In order to have the players 'prefered position' (I don't know how it's called, the red position), shouldn't I use a mid lineup like:
Cynthia - Lia (CM) - Victoria (support) - Duke
3) Should I replace Victoria for Serestia ?
4) Which legendary player should I strive for, Beth or Meta ? I understand how all mighty can Metatron (CM )is in pvp, but I feel like Beth can help both my pve (CoD), and pvp (placing her with Duke to have Affection boost ?).
I know... I'm kind of reluctant to bench my Duke since he were my only Legendary and that I used 4 littre on him XD...

Ps: I think i'll just wait for either wait to have Zibroi/Lucian Unique stone (PoME) or scout Lucian because I think that maxing a 2nd light GK is a waste with CoT matches where you have to use mono team.

Neo
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Help on PVP Rainbow Team around Sharr/Kei Apr 18, 2016 6:38:37 GMT -8

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Post by Neo on Apr 18, 2016 6:38:37 GMT -8

1) Cynthia will be 1/5/5/5
2) Preferred position is never needed. You should always position based on enemy position and put your strong players against their weak players.
3) After replacing victoria with serestia, you should put serestia together with Lia in centre with cynthia at the right.
4) Metatron will help you more in PvP while Beth will help you more in PvE. I would probably go for metatron.

You should definitely scout and build lucian.

Your backline lacks HP totem for kei. Not sure why there are 2 virgils there.

Seems everyone missed your thread and no replies for some time. Hope this helps you.

tasuki
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Help on PVP Rainbow Team around Sharr/Kei Apr 18, 2016 12:51:03 GMT -8

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Post by tasuki on Apr 18, 2016 12:51:03 GMT -8

Hello,

Thank you for your answer :D !
Yeah, didnt see that I used Virgil twice, I meant to say Magnus - Kiki - Virgil.

Btw, I got Lucian today from monthly box :D (yeah, I consider myself super lucky because I always drew/scout the players I wanted) ! So he will be my main focus for Bel/Littre, so I'll most likely bench Kei when he'll either be 4SPU/+1xx or get his unique spirit stone (PoME).

So... here are my last 2 questions for a little while :D... (since i'll have quite a few players to MSPU/+160) :

1) For pve : I did want to get beth because I needed a good infinite player, but I'll most likely go for infinite Guinivere because I got an EoG during SS upgrade discount.
I read that Guinivere can only be an infinite penetrator, so is it really worth to try to use her (in CoD games, instead of Beth to penetrate to front line) ?

2) If I get metratron, who should i bench?
Duke/Lia/Cynthia/Serestia ?
Ps : still trying to scout Lynia though ^^'....

thanks again for your help :)

Last Edit: Apr 18, 2016 13:01:36 GMT -8 by tasuki

Neo
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Help on PVP Rainbow Team around Sharr/Kei Apr 19, 2016 2:02:05 GMT -8

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Post by Neo on Apr 19, 2016 2:02:05 GMT -8

hi tasuki,

I am not sure since I do not use guin.
You had better ask for a second opinion in reddit or official SS forum or global SS forums.

If you get metatron... actually I am not exactly sure what formation are you using now.
Most likely bench lia but whats your formation now?

tasuki
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Help on PVP Rainbow Team around Sharr/Kei Apr 19, 2016 10:31:00 GMT -8

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Post by tasuki on Apr 19, 2016 10:31:00 GMT -8

Hello :D,

Thank you for your answer, I'll ask on reddit or ss forum about guin then :)

I actually... GOT Lynia from event box... loool :D (yeah, lucian and lynia from 2 box in the row ^^) !

So... I now have all the players you guys advice me to have...

The current line up I'm playing right now is pretty common for both front and backlines :
Sharr (TB) - Luka (SC stone) - Silla (Ace)
Victoria - Lia (CM) - Cynthia - Duke
Magnus - Kiki - Virgil
Lucian (yeah, he will replace Kei ASAP)

Thus, it's time to figure out a "proper mid line up"... (and most likely bench all my current mid XD...) with the following players :
Duke - Serestia - Cynthia - Lynia - Lia - Eventually Meta

Since action speed is now so important, and in order to 2HKO properly build Meta (CM), maybe :
Cynthia - Metatron (CM) - Serestia - Lynia (not sure where to put Serestia though)
The point is that I don't actually now who can OHKO Metatron (CM), so maybe you can help me with a few names ? :)
Here again, maybe 4 man mid might be too much (from what I read on other posts), Cynthia/Meta/Lynia mid might be "enough", and I may strenghen my backline with Nerua, to have a back line like :
Magnus - Nerua - Kiki - Virgil

Thanks again and sorry to disturb you again with all my questions... I got so many players that i think can get me to champion league... Plus, all the adivces you guys gave me are storming in my head :(...