Post by Neo on Jun 9, 2016 2:44:00 GMT -8
It has been a long time since I've written a recall discussion.
The major difference now is that, the recall system has changed.
Prior recall discussions were based on the old recall system:
soccerspirits.freeforums.net/thread/282/comparison-new-old-recall-system
The new recall system has much restrictions, compared to the old system.
Simply put, the new recall system sucks. You can read the above thread to know how or why it sucks.
First, lets have a quick look at how Luka & Silla were nerfed.
Silla
Some of you might be wondering, why is 15% penetration power drop considered a mega nerf?
That is because we have to look at the bigger picture. You cannot look at the nerfs individually.
So what's the big deal with these penetration power nerfs?
You might want to understand how penetration power works first before continuing.
soccerspirits.freeforums.net/thread/81/guide-power-works
As you have read, without penetration power, we will be dealing incredibly low damage to GK with higher damage reduction.
If your striker cannot crit, the damage is even lower and your striker can probably never kill enemy GK.
With these nerfs, most strikers will not be able to reach 100% penetration power.
Simply put, what this means is, your striker shot damage is greatly reduced.
This has nothing to do with OHKO nerf although many people would say that this is Bigball attempt to nerf OHKO.
The truth is, since the past patches, OHKO no longer exists unless you've built a shit backline.
Why is everyone complaining? Luka - Silla front is not the only frontline out there?
Unfortunately, the only penetration power totem besides luka/silla out there is only Guinevere.
The moves Bigball have made lately:
So what will be next? Make a guess. (Spoiler Alert !!)
The Rise of the Utility Strikers ??
With OHKO strikers doing pathetic damage now, is it the time now for utility strikers?
Utility striker? Bora? Uriel? Vann?
Please, when all strikers damage are nerfed, it doesn't make these shitty strikers good.
Kirin, Ravian, Latios are the worthy utility strikers to be used atm.
Latios -> Became worthy after heals nerf in PvP, was changed to 50%.
Kirin -> Has always been OP in PvP but you have to build a team around him.
Ravian -> Has always been OP alongside Alice or Serestia
Back to the main question, should we recall Luka or Silla?
Let's assume the answer is yes, this brings us to the question:
Who do we recall Luka or Silla for?
With the horrendous recall system in place, we are now only able to recall season 1 assists for season 1 assists.
Who would you like to recall Luka or Silla for?
Neraizel? Nari? Linmay? Sammy? or Lia for her plox
In addition, when you recall, all copies of Luka or Silla will be transformed into the new selected player.
You are not able to choose how many copies to recall. All copies in your possession will be recalled.
Hence, if you have a fspu Luka/Silla, you gotta have 0 copy of the player that you want to recall for.
Otherwise, you will end up with extra copies, meaning 6th spu or more.
Evaluating PvE/Other functions of Luka & Silla
Endgame CoD
Endgame CoT
Silla ace proves to be useful in many other PvE matches too, elementals, bosses etc though not a must have.
The unique function of Luka is as an IC assist, in both PvE and PvP.
This IC function is unique to Luka and only Nari can replace her (in all season 1 assists available for recall).
But how is Nari superior to Luka to justify a recall?
Overall, Luka is still superior to Nari in many areas.
Conclusion
Silla is probably not going to be recalled for her ace function, in many situations.
She has the best rainbow ace of all players.
Luka, is also still the best IC assist out there.
Recalling Luka for Nari does not make any sense for the reasons mentioned above.
If Luka is recalled for other forward/long passers instead of Nari, then you loses an IC assist.
IC assist can be an integral component in many match strategies. For example, CoD gatekeeper champions.
Hence, you do not want to lose an IC assist.
So, the final conclusion is, we get all these freaking nerfs and there are no players worth recalling for.
FML
The major difference now is that, the recall system has changed.
Prior recall discussions were based on the old recall system:
soccerspirits.freeforums.net/thread/282/comparison-new-old-recall-system
The new recall system has much restrictions, compared to the old system.
Simply put, the new recall system sucks. You can read the above thread to know how or why it sucks.
First, lets have a quick look at how Luka & Silla were nerfed.
EA01 Luka
- Active Line Pass Effect Bonus dropped from 180% to 140%, Penetration Power Buff dropped from 40% > 25%
Mega Nerf - Slow debuff from 35% > 20% and for 5 minutes (down from 15 minutes)
Huge Nerf - Speed Totem down to 15% from 20%, Pass effect totem up to 30% from 20%
Minor Nerf/Buff - Generates spirit with both steal and pass now.
Hardly count as a buff - Active Cooldown reduced from 15 mins to 10 mins
Medium buff
Silla
- Active Line Pass Effect Bonus dropped from 180% to 140%, Attack Power Buff increased from 40% > 60%
Medium Nerf - Penetration Power totem down to 15% from 30%, 15% HP totem added
Mega Nerf - Spirit generation with a pass dropped from 50% > 20%
Minor Nerf - Active Cooldown reduced to 10 mins from 15 mins
Medium Buff
Some of you might be wondering, why is 15% penetration power drop considered a mega nerf?
That is because we have to look at the bigger picture. You cannot look at the nerfs individually.
- The combined nerf amount is a total of 30% penetration power nerf
So what's the big deal with these penetration power nerfs?
You might want to understand how penetration power works first before continuing.
soccerspirits.freeforums.net/thread/81/guide-power-works
As you have read, without penetration power, we will be dealing incredibly low damage to GK with higher damage reduction.
- With the heals in PvP increased to 50% now, that means goalkeepers are getting more heals than ever.
- Low damage shots will result in strikers being unable to kill GKs and matches ending in draw.
- With crit resist lines being common again, even legendary strikers like William/Leventor have issues doing critical with normal shots.
If your striker cannot crit, the damage is even lower and your striker can probably never kill enemy GK.
With these nerfs, most strikers will not be able to reach 100% penetration power.
- Except those strikers with innate 30% penetration power in their passives
Beatrice, Vitos, Leventor etc.
But even if so, they will need OP spirit stone substats to provide them w/ extra 30% pen. power - Even legendary strikers like William, can only get up to 40% penetration power with the help of Luka - Silla now
- For utility strikers, its even more pathetic.
- With Duran + Angela, don't be surprised if your striker has negative penetration power
Simply put, what this means is, your striker shot damage is greatly reduced.
This has nothing to do with OHKO nerf although many people would say that this is Bigball attempt to nerf OHKO.
The truth is, since the past patches, OHKO no longer exists unless you've built a shit backline.
Why is everyone complaining? Luka - Silla front is not the only frontline out there?
Unfortunately, the only penetration power totem besides luka/silla out there is only Guinevere.
The moves Bigball have made lately:
- Introduce more penetration power debuff totems and GK without introducing the equivalent penetration buff totems
Angela, Duran, Lucifer -> Gives a combined 60% penetration debuff
With a high damage reduction GK and only Duran + Angela, strikers can barely do any damage. - Nerfing Luka + Silla without providing any alternatives
So we basically are screwed all over and stuck with the fact that our strikers are going to do very low damage.
So what will be next? Make a guess. (Spoiler Alert !!)
Bigball will probably introduce a new season 2 player that provides high penetration power totem.
Then why was Luka and Silla nerfed in the 1st place if low penetration power was what Bigball wanted?
No, what Bigball wants is to milk your $$$, not nerf penetration power.
Then why was Luka and Silla nerfed in the 1st place if low penetration power was what Bigball wanted?
No, what Bigball wants is to milk your $$$, not nerf penetration power.
The Rise of the Utility Strikers ??
With OHKO strikers doing pathetic damage now, is it the time now for utility strikers?
Utility striker? Bora? Uriel? Vann?
Please, when all strikers damage are nerfed, it doesn't make these shitty strikers good.
Kirin, Ravian, Latios are the worthy utility strikers to be used atm.
Latios -> Became worthy after heals nerf in PvP, was changed to 50%.
Kirin -> Has always been OP in PvP but you have to build a team around him.
Ravian -> Has always been OP alongside Alice or Serestia
Back to the main question, should we recall Luka or Silla?
Let's assume the answer is yes, this brings us to the question:
Who do we recall Luka or Silla for?
With the horrendous recall system in place, we are now only able to recall season 1 assists for season 1 assists.
Who would you like to recall Luka or Silla for?
Neraizel? Nari? Linmay? Sammy? or Lia for her plox
In addition, when you recall, all copies of Luka or Silla will be transformed into the new selected player.
You are not able to choose how many copies to recall. All copies in your possession will be recalled.
Hence, if you have a fspu Luka/Silla, you gotta have 0 copy of the player that you want to recall for.
Otherwise, you will end up with extra copies, meaning 6th spu or more.
Evaluating PvE/Other functions of Luka & Silla
Endgame CoD
- Both are not exactly necessary. Baltheon is mainly used to achieve OHKO
- Silla ace can be useful in CoD 49
Endgame CoT
- Many ways to clear a CoT trial. Most CoT trials does not require OHKO.
- Only one trial that Luka is mainly used for OHKO.
Colosseum of Trials 5-1
Have yet to test if Nari/Neraizel can work for the same effects. - Silla is useful for her ace in CoT.
Silla ace proves to be useful in many other PvE matches too, elementals, bosses etc though not a must have.
The unique function of Luka is as an IC assist, in both PvE and PvP.
- In PvE, IC assist provides consistency for auto-ing matches.
- In PvP, IC assist allow your striker to take the first shot.
Instead of enemy IC backline defender killing off your front before it even moves.
IC shu, IC virgil, IC Gaphyl etc.
This IC function is unique to Luka and only Nari can replace her (in all season 1 assists available for recall).
But how is Nari superior to Luka to justify a recall?
- Nari may provide a higher pass but in the end, Luka is still superior because her skills are capable of synergizing with different strategies.
- In addition, Nari provides 25% critical rate on active pass but Luka provides a permanent 20% critical rate totem to the line.
Overall, Luka is still superior to Nari in many areas.
Conclusion
Silla is probably not going to be recalled for her ace function, in many situations.
She has the best rainbow ace of all players.
Luka, is also still the best IC assist out there.
Recalling Luka for Nari does not make any sense for the reasons mentioned above.
If Luka is recalled for other forward/long passers instead of Nari, then you loses an IC assist.
IC assist can be an integral component in many match strategies. For example, CoD gatekeeper champions.
Hence, you do not want to lose an IC assist.
So, the final conclusion is, we get all these freaking nerfs and there are no players worth recalling for.
FML